[Egyptian] Unicode Technical Committee (UTC) documents about Egyptian Hieroglyphic (May 2017)

[Marwan Kilani]

"If you consider such “historical typographical distinction[s]” irrelevant,
you can use the existing U+0357 ○͗ COMBINING RIGHT HALF RING ABOVE
(solution  A2 in proposal n3487) or ˀ U+02C0 MODIFIER LETTER GLOTTAL STOP
and this whole discussion is irrelevant."

1a) no, because it does not represent a "half ring" (which has
other linguistic meanings). It represent a glottal stop
1b) no, i cannot use ˀ U+02C0 because from a linguistic perspective, "
iˀ "represent
a *glottalised i*, not a character that seems to behave like a i or like a
glottal stop depending on the context (which is what the egyptological
character we are discussing means). To represent that, the glottal stop
must be *above* the i, to indicate that the same phoneme can behave in both
ways.

2) if you think that "historical typographical origins" are relevant, then
we should name the character "A" as "Romanized Aliph", rather than "Latin
A", because Latin A is nothing but a typographical development of
Phoenician aliph, after all..

And in general, I still don't get what is the problem in having a "a/i/u
with glottal stop above" / "a/i/u with superimposed glottal stop"?

Michael, i do appreciate you effort in coding these things for 17 years,
but i don't see why such a name, which is more appropriate and more
accurate, should be a problem?


And in general seriously, please, please: traditional
Egyptological linguistic terminology is already too often so much backward
for so many concepts, please let's not reinforce this by encoding into
Unicode such characters with a 19th century term like "spiritus lenis",
when we can use a much more appropriate "glottal stop"..

Egyptology needs to be integrated into the general modern linguistic trends
and terminology, it does not need to be stuck into an exceptionalism of
19th century terminology..


On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frédéric Grosshans <
frederic.grosshans at gmail.com> wrote:

> Le 01/06/2017 à 16:14, Marwan Kilani a écrit :
>
>> I'm quite sure that the IPA glottal stop character does derive from the
>> Greek spiritus lenis, and the fact that it does not look the same is merely
>> an historical typographic distinction, and the fact that Egyptological
>> glottal stop often looks more like the greek spiritus lenis, rather than
>> the IPA glottal stop character is probably merely due to the fact that
>> Egyptology as a field was excluded (or did not pay too attention) to the
>> typographical developments taking place in linguistics and standard
>> phonetic transcriptions, rather than being due to an explicit desire of
>> Egyptologist of keeping their "glottal stop" graphically closer to the
>> Greek spiritus lenis, rather than to the IPA glottal stop.
>>
>> If you consider such “historical typographical distinction[s]”
> irrelevant, you can use the existing U+0357 ○͗ COMBINING RIGHT HALF RING
> ABOVE (solution  A2 in proposal n3487) or ˀ U+02C0 MODIFIER LETTER GLOTTAL
> STOP and this whole discussion is irrelevant.
>
>
>
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