<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">"If you consider such “historical typographical distinction[s]” irrelevant, you can use the existing U+0357 ○͗ COMBINING RIGHT HALF RING ABOVE (solution A2 in proposal n3487) or ˀ U+02C0 MODIFIER LETTER GLOTTAL STOP and this whole discussion is irrelevant."</span><br><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">1a) no, because it does not represent a "half ring" (which has other linguistic meanings). It represent a glottal stop</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">1b) no, i cannot use ˀ U+02C0 because from a linguistic perspective, " i</span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">ˀ "</span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">represent a *glottalised i*, not a character that seems to behave like a i or like a glottal stop depending on the context (which is what the egyptological character we are discussing means). To represent that, the glottal stop must be *above* the i, to indicate that the same phoneme can behave in both ways.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">2) if you think that "historical typographical origins" are relevant, then we should name the character "A" as "Romanized Aliph", rather than "Latin A", because Latin A is nothing but a typographical development of Phoenician aliph, after all..</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">And in general, I still don't get </span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">what is the problem in having a "a/i/u with glottal stop above" / "</span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">a/i/u with superimposed glottal stop</span><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">"?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Michael, i do appreciate you effort in coding these things for 17 years, but i don't see why such a name, which is more appropriate and more accurate, should be a problem?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">And in general seriously, please, please: traditional Egyptological linguistic terminology is already too often so much backward for so many concepts, please let's not reinforce this by encoding into Unicode such characters with a 19th century term like "spiritus lenis", when we can use a much more appropriate "glottal stop"..</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">Egyptology needs to be integrated into the general modern linguistic trends and terminology, it does not need to be stuck into an exceptionalism of 19th century terminology..</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Frédéric Grosshans <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frederic.grosshans@gmail.com" target="_blank">frederic.grosshans@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">Le 01/06/2017 à 16:14, Marwan Kilani a écrit :<br>
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I'm quite sure that the IPA glottal stop character does derive from the Greek spiritus lenis, and the fact that it does not look the same is merely an historical typographic distinction, and the fact that Egyptological glottal stop often looks more like the greek spiritus lenis, rather than the IPA glottal stop character is probably merely due to the fact that Egyptology as a field was excluded (or did not pay too attention) to the typographical developments taking place in linguistics and standard phonetic transcriptions, rather than being due to an explicit desire of Egyptologist of keeping their "glottal stop" graphically closer to the Greek spiritus lenis, rather than to the IPA glottal stop.<br>
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If you consider such “historical typographical distinction[s]” irrelevant, you can use the existing U+0357 ○͗ COMBINING RIGHT HALF RING ABOVE (solution A2 in proposal n3487) or ˀ U+02C0 MODIFIER LETTER GLOTTAL STOP and this whole discussion is irrelevant.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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