[Egyptian] Two group joiners

[Bob Richmond]

Hi Stéphane

-> "possibly best known from Late Egyptian" (thinking e.g. tall narrow groups on the well-known Israel stela)? Doesn't really matter for point in hand so long as controls work well.

Your example JSesh: m&&&(x:ib*Z1) falls into the "4 corners"/ligature topic. I don't think it features in the Ramses data you sent. Ultimately it ought to be a supported Unicode cluster. It was in the original proposal. In the revision I've had to make to take into account concerns raised in April (and since) it currently isn't available and you'd need a HLP for release 1. We can discuss that after I've finished writing it up today - there is some wiggle room!

Bob


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From: Egyptian [mailto:egyptian-bounces at evertype.com] On Behalf Of Stéphane polis
Sent: 26 July 2016 11:58
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Subject: Re: [Egyptian] Two group joiners

Dear Bob,

Thanks for this document! Some remarks. 

P. 1 - tall groups are not ‘best know from Late Egyptian’: probably rarer in Old Kingdom inscriptions (but this should be checked and I don’t know of studies about this aspect, Nigel?), they are everywhere in hieroglyphic inscriptions (and perhaps more and more systematically present) from the First Intermediate Period onward (down to the Late Period). Look for instance at the biographical texts on FIP and Middle Kingdom stelae; you’ll find several examples on every single document. The same remark applies to your note after the title ‘horizontal text’ obviously.

P. 1  - Note. 'The topic etc.’: I understand that you do not want to conflate the issues, but in a broader perspective why not acknowledging the fact that the same principles apply, namely make groups that are somehow scaled down for fitting in horizontal, vertical or diagonal arrangements. Your solution is probably convenient for vertical and horizontal grouping in most cases (even if it probably implies later additions of additional lower/higher level operators for more complex embedding), but could you explain how you intend to deal with e.g. groups like (in s*xm-ib*), frequent as well in the same context? Offering a solution to this issue would be a big step forward in my view! Best wishes, Stéphane