From ishida at w3.org  Sat Mar  2 13:02:52 2019
From: ishida at w3.org (r12a)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 13:02:52 +0000
Subject: [Egyptian] Egyptian picker now supports Unicode 12 formatting
 characters
Message-ID: <c366789f-c8d2-7c74-4e13-58dd2c663485@w3.org>

I don't know whether anyone uses it, but the picker at
https://r12a.github.io/pickers/egyptian/
has been updated to allow insertion of the new Unicode12 formatting codes.

I haven't announced it widely yet for 2 reasons:

[1] I have begun to upgrade the MDC<>Unicode<>MDC converters, but i need 
to do a little more work there.

[2] I don't have a font that supports the formatting behaviour.

Does anyone know of a font which i can recommend for download, or better 
still, include as a webfont?

ri



From odusseus at gmail.com  Sat Mar  2 14:02:12 2019
From: odusseus at gmail.com (Marwan Kilani)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 15:02:12 +0100
Subject: [Egyptian] Egyptian picker now supports Unicode 12 formatting
 characters
In-Reply-To: <c366789f-c8d2-7c74-4e13-58dd2c663485@w3.org>
References: <c366789f-c8d2-7c74-4e13-58dd2c663485@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CANxzYuR_e0dzJhR5cwYOG9quN+aM8y=g4uP4EUjQyoCSq5ZNBA@mail.gmail.com>

Nice!

A far as I know, there is no font available that supports the formatting
behavior, also because every single group would need to be encoded
singularly, as a ligature combining hieroglyphs + control characters. This,
besides being a huge job, lead to a problem that, again as far as I know,
does not seem to have any easy solution for now: many common text editors
(certainly word on mac os x) cannot compose ligatures formed by more than 4
elements. Which means that they cannot process any group formed by more
than 2 hieroglyphs + 2 control characters, or 3 hieros and 1 control
characters...

best

Marwan

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 2:02 PM r12a <ishida at w3.org> wrote:

> I don't know whether anyone uses it, but the picker at
> https://r12a.github.io/pickers/egyptian/
> has been updated to allow insertion of the new Unicode12 formatting codes.
>
> I haven't announced it widely yet for 2 reasons:
>
> [1] I have begun to upgrade the MDC<>Unicode<>MDC converters, but i need
> to do a little more work there.
>
> [2] I don't have a font that supports the formatting behaviour.
>
> Does anyone know of a font which i can recommend for download, or better
> still, include as a webfont?
>
> ri
>
> _______________________________________________
> Egyptian mailing list
> Egyptian at evertype.com
> http://evertype.com/mailman/listinfo/egyptian_evertype.com
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From ishida at w3.org  Fri Mar 22 11:59:27 2019
From: ishida at w3.org (r12a)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:59:27 +0000
Subject: [Egyptian] Request for review: RTL rendering of Egyptian in HTML
Message-ID: <cd111ace-df1f-f05f-b8dc-22bbf51626c5@w3.org>

folks,

I think you may find it useful to read this article, which is still a 
pre-published draft.  It describes a simple way to make text such as 
Egyptian hieroglyphs run RTL in HTML, and even mirror glyphs, without 
disturbing the normal semantic flow of the character stream.

http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-ltr-scripts-in-rtl.en



I'd also appreciate it if you could check whether the characters i used 
for the Egyptian example are correct: ??????

? U+13153 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH G017
? U+130A4 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D043
? U+133A1 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH V031
? U+133CF EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH X001
? U+133E6 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH Z002A
? U+1302D EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A040


many thanks,
Richard.





PS: I haven't given any thought to how this affects or is affected by 
the use of quadrats created by the new Unicode formatting characters.



From rosmord at iut.univ-paris8.fr  Fri Mar 22 12:45:18 2019
From: rosmord at iut.univ-paris8.fr (Serge Rosmorduc)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:45:18 +0100
Subject: [Egyptian] Request for review: RTL rendering of Egyptian in HTML
In-Reply-To: <cd111ace-df1f-f05f-b8dc-22bbf51626c5@w3.org>
References: <cd111ace-df1f-f05f-b8dc-22bbf51626c5@w3.org>
Message-ID: <8A46D0B6-C27A-4220-946D-486B98183231@iut.univ-paris8.fr>

Hello,

The glyphs should be 


> 
> ? U+13153 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH G017
> ? U+1309E EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D037 <<< NOT the same sign
> ? U+133A1 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH V031 
> ? U+133CF EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH X001
> ? U+133E6 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH Z002A
> ? U+1302D EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A040 
> 


regarding RTL hieroglyphs, the use cases in publications would be :

a) mixed with RTL characters in RTL modern writing systems (Arabic, Hebrew)
b) in diplomatic edition. In this case, the text is likely to be rather long, and might be mixed with 
    modern script (line/position indications, short latin text indicating lacuna size, 
    ecdotic information?)


Best regards,

Serge Rosmorduc





From ishida at w3.org  Fri Mar 22 13:15:55 2019
From: ishida at w3.org (r12a)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:15:55 +0000
Subject: [Egyptian] Request for review: RTL rendering of Egyptian in HTML
In-Reply-To: <8A46D0B6-C27A-4220-946D-486B98183231@iut.univ-paris8.fr>
References: <cd111ace-df1f-f05f-b8dc-22bbf51626c5@w3.org>
 <8A46D0B6-C27A-4220-946D-486B98183231@iut.univ-paris8.fr>
Message-ID: <d5d9381a-a973-9ecb-b563-d3c2d864c879@w3.org>

hi Serge,

Many thanks!  I substituted the correct character.
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-ltr-scripts-in-rtl.en


The mixture with other RTL writing systems should be fine, since bdo 
isolates the text directionally.  Afaik, the other use case should be ok 
too.

ri


On 22/03/2019 12:45, Serge Rosmorduc wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The glyphs should be
> 
> 
>>
>> ? U+13153 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH G017
>> ? U+1309E EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D037 <<< NOT the same sign
>> ? U+133A1 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH V031
>> ? U+133CF EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH X001
>> ? U+133E6 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH Z002A
>> ? U+1302D EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A040
>>
> 
> 
> regarding RTL hieroglyphs, the use cases in publications would be :
> 
> a) mixed with RTL characters in RTL modern writing systems (Arabic, Hebrew)
> b) in diplomatic edition. In this case, the text is likely to be rather long, and might be mixed with
>      modern script (line/position indications, short latin text indicating lacuna size,
>      ecdotic information?)
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Serge Rosmorduc
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Egyptian mailing list
> Egyptian at evertype.com
> http://evertype.com/mailman/listinfo/egyptian_evertype.com
> 



From s.polis at ulg.ac.be  Fri Mar 22 16:28:58 2019
From: s.polis at ulg.ac.be (=?utf-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane_polis?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:28:58 +0000
Subject: [Egyptian] Request for review: RTL rendering of Egyptian in HTML
In-Reply-To: <d5d9381a-a973-9ecb-b563-d3c2d864c879@w3.org>
References: <cd111ace-df1f-f05f-b8dc-22bbf51626c5@w3.org>
 <8A46D0B6-C27A-4220-946D-486B98183231@iut.univ-paris8.fr>
 <d5d9381a-a973-9ecb-b563-d3c2d864c879@w3.org>
Message-ID: <43A1CB8D-209D-415A-9D24-9DD2C13A0CB7@ulg.ac.be>

Hi,

Note that the ? should be above, and not below the ?.
All best,

St?phane


> Le 22 mars 2019 ? 13:15, r12a <ishida at w3.org> a ?crit :
> 
> hi Serge,
> 
> Many thanks!  I substituted the correct character.
> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-ltr-scripts-in-rtl.en
> 
> 
> The mixture with other RTL writing systems should be fine, since bdo isolates the text directionally.  Afaik, the other use case should be ok too.
> 
> ri
> 
> 
> On 22/03/2019 12:45, Serge Rosmorduc wrote:
>> Hello,
>> The glyphs should be
>>> 
>>> ? U+13153 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH G017
>>> ? U+1309E EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D037 <<< NOT the same sign
>>> ? U+133A1 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH V031
>>> ? U+133CF EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH X001
>>> ? U+133E6 EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH Z002A
>>> ? U+1302D EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH A040
>>> 
>> regarding RTL hieroglyphs, the use cases in publications would be :
>> a) mixed with RTL characters in RTL modern writing systems (Arabic, Hebrew)
>> b) in diplomatic edition. In this case, the text is likely to be rather long, and might be mixed with
>>    modern script (line/position indications, short latin text indicating lacuna size,
>>    ecdotic information?)
>> Best regards,
>> Serge Rosmorduc
>> _______________________________________________
>> Egyptian mailing list
>> Egyptian at evertype.com
>> http://evertype.com/mailman/listinfo/egyptian_evertype.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Egyptian mailing list
> Egyptian at evertype.com
> http://evertype.com/mailman/listinfo/egyptian_evertype.com