[Egyptian] Schenkel's comments on the ballot (HIGH PRIORITY)

[Michael Everson]

Wolfgang kindly sent comments on the proposal 
document some of which are editorial, and some of 
which could affect the character set under 
ballot. I'm going to ignore the editorial remarks 
for now since the ballot comments take priority. 
I will say ACCEPTED for changes I think should be 
made to the ballot, and REJECTED for things which 
I think need not be made. ***DECISION NEEDED 
means just that.

>A006A and A006B: Gardiner 1953 A 6* should be 
>A006A, even if it is more complicated than the 
>non-Gardiner sign actually numbered A006A?

ACCEPTED. I have checked this and while I do not 
have a sample showing the glyph for what in the 
proposal is A006B I agree that the glyph shown in 
G1953:A6* should be the one we show at A006A.

>O010A: In Gardiner's “Fount" the door is below.

ACCEPTED. I have checked and Wolfgang is correct 
-- the glyph should be changed so the door is at 
the bottom right not the top right.

>After S026 insert S026A = Gardiner N 18 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 507). The meaning of S026A is 
>different from N018.

***DECISION NEEDED. Gardiner does say quite 
clearly that there is a "sandy-tract" lookalike 
that should follow S026. 'Different signs" he 
says.  Will it appear differently in painted 
hieroglyphs, for instance?

>T036: Two signs have been confounded: Gardiner's 
>(1953) T 36 is a different hieroglyph. The 
>hieroglyph belongs to Gardiner's (1953) T 37.

REJECTED. The little scimitar called T36 in G1953 
is called T16* in G1931, and is encoded as T016A 
at U+1331B. No change needed.

>After S026 insert S026A = Gardiner N 18 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 507). The meaning of S026A is 
>different from N018.

This appears to be a duplicate comment.

>After U012 insert U012A = Gardiner O 30 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 517). The meaning of U012A is 
>different from O 30.

REJECTED. The pitchfork has been encoded as U042 at U+13360.

>After X004A insert X004B = Gardiner N 18 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 532). The meaning of X004A is 
>different from N018.

***DECISION NEEDED. Gardiner does say that this 
is a different character from N018. Will it 
appear differently in painted hieroglyphs, for 
instance?

>After Z003A insert Z003B = Gardiner small tripel 
>(horizontal) N 33 (see Gardiner 1957, p. 490). 
>The meaning of Z003B is different from tripel N 
>33.

***DECISION NEEDED. I tend to think we should 
reject this because Gardiner says that the three 
grains of sand are "sometimes substituted" for 
the plural strokes. That means to me that they 
are still grains of sand... just that they are 
being used with a different meaning. But please

>After Z003A insert Z003C = Gardiner small tripel 
>(vertical) N 33 (see Gardiner 1957, p. 490). The 
>meaning of Z003C is different from tripel N 33.

Same as above.

>After Z008 insert Z008A = Gardiner N 33 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 538). The meaning of Z008A is 
>different from N033? Delete Z013 (source = ?)?

REJECTED. Z013 is the round circle used as a 
geometric figure meaning 'round'. Its source is 
Gardiner G1953:6:Z13.

>After Z008 insert Z008B = Gardiner M 44 (see 
>Gardiner 1957, p. 538). The meaning of Z008B is 
>different from M044.

REJECTED. I don't think there is much of a case 
to be made for encoding this separately from 
M044. Allen treats them the same and at M044 
Gardiner says that "possibly it is the same sign, 
if not a mere triangle, which serves as ideo. or 
det. in spd 'sharp'." Möller gives only a 
geomatric sign, not a separate one under Plants 
and Parts of Plants. So far I don't see a strong 
case for disunifying them. (I am willing to hear 
one.)

>Cross reference for E035 = NU015? I propose, not 
>to use E035 in the future, but exclusivly NU015: 
>“E034 replaced by NU015".

ACCEPTED. Well spotted! This is a duplicate character. E035 should be removed.

I haven't identified/sought for the sources of / 
reasons for the following signs: A043A, A045A, 
A069, A070, B005A, B009, C023, C024, D067, E017A, 
F053A, L008, M015A, O010B, O010C, O019A, T011A, 
U029A, U042, V033A. Most signs are immediately 
convincing, and there are no serious doubts for 
the rest.

A043A is G1953:2:C21

A045A is from the GITB. I do not have a reference. Jaromír?

A069 is from the GITB. I do not have a reference. It is also in A1999:423:A68.

A070 is from GITB:8-1:626:810

B005A is from GITB:8-4:13:500

B009 is from GITB:8-2:690:370

C023 is from the GITB. I do not have a reference.

C024 is from GITB:8-1:753:130

D067 is from G1957:199:1, M1909:66:DDc695, M1936:63:DDc695

E017A is from GITB:8-2:134:610

F053A (I think you mean F053) is from GITB:8-1:797:520

L008 is from GITB:8-1:221:400

M015A is from GITB:8-1:750:190

O010B is from GITB:8-1:755:460

O010C is from the GITB. I do not have a reference.

O019A is from G1953:4:O19*

T011A is from GITB:8-2:065:700

U029A is from G1953:5:U29*

U042 is from G1957:546:(O30), A1999:443:U109

V033A is from GITB:8-2:065:299

Bob, Jaromír... can you provide references for 
the GITB characters we don't have?
-- 
Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com