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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div>O calasvists kadämik digik!</div><div><br></div><div>Baicedob ko mobs at. Vöds at bo ozesüdons pö jafäd elas ‘memes’ bevüresodik e pö lüspikots pötü zäladels bevünetik seimik.</div><div><br></div><div>Lestümiko,</div><div>Daniil</div></div><br></div><div><br></div>
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вторник, 13 октября 2020 г., 13:44:46 GMT+5, Hermann Philipps <hphilipps@onlinehome.de> написал(-а):
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<div><div dir="ltr">O kadämans stimik!<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Posä evotükob cedi obik dö ‚transgender’ in Volapük, mobob:<br clear="none">lovegen [kadäm, 2020] n. transgenderity.<br clear="none">lovegenan [kadäm, 2020] n. transgender, trans (somebody not <br clear="none">identifying with his/her biological sex).<br clear="none">lovegenik [kadäm, 2020] adj. transgender (not identifying with one's <br clear="none">biological sex; also: adhering to a non-binary notion of gender).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Hermann<br clear="none">------------------<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Am 12.10.2020 um 14:09 schrieb Dan Morosof:<br clear="none">> O Hermann löfik!<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Baicedob, das sinif primota: love- < pö vöds pemäniotöl no binon <br clear="none">> fümik, äsi ut lima balid: ‘trans-’ in vöds natapükas anik. Tefü atos <br clear="none">> säk veütik valemik süikon: daloy-li sümädön stukotis vödas natapükik <br clear="none">> ad jafön Volapükavödis? Sams somik dabinons ön bundan vemik <br clear="none">> (bevüresod, bienazil, caratänden, …), ed atos no binon-la nedälovik, <br clear="none">> ab dasevob, das mod at binon dotabik, e binosös vipabik ad miedükön <br clear="none">> numi defomotas somik ün fütür. Brefo: vöd ko primot: love- no binonöv <br clear="none">> dialik, e sio vedükonöv Volapüki netikavikumi.<br clear="none">> Sotüls kuratikum bo binons-la mögiks (ko dils: votagena-, votageni-, <br clear="none">> okseved, okmeug, e ret), ab obinons-la tu luniks e ba semikna igo <br clear="none">> noföls. Ba ek obas omobom tuvedoti votik kuratikum, äsi gütöfiki ä <br clear="none">> brefiki.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Ladöfiko,<br clear="none">> Daniil ü Shido<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> понедельник, 12 октября 2020 г., 14:34:09 GMT+5, Hermann Philipps <br clear="none">> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>> написал(-а):<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> O ‚Shido’ löfik!<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Danob oli demü pläns olik.<br clear="none">> Jinos lü ob, das id vöds: loveboidön, lovegrifön, loveikön, loveliänam<br clear="none">> < ninädons bosi topik, do te püliko.<br clear="none">> In vöd: lovelifädön (vödiko de vöd Deutänapükik: ‚überleben’) < el<br clear="none">> „love” labon sinifi timik.<br clear="none">> Säkäd ye binon, das no suemob sinifi ela „love” in *lovegenik. Atos<br clear="none">> binon dinäd lanavik: man in koap vomik, vom in koap manik, man u vom,<br clear="none">> kels no senälons äsä man u vom, u bos votik. Alo, igo ven man u vom<br clear="none">> somiks sufikons ad genicein, neai poso binons vom u man legiks. Te<br clear="none">> binons sümädots. Loveikam voik no jenon, te feakosmet nelölöfik, kel<br clear="none">> spelabiko ovedükon lifi otanas balugikumi e plitikumi.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Mögos, das binob tu sevärik tefü siäm vödas, e no vipob ad tasteifön<br clear="none">> progedi Volapüka.<br clear="none">> Sötobs ye betikön, das mils jäfüdavödedas dabinons in nolavs, lekans,<br clear="none">> febods e ret, tefü kels no labobs Volapükavödis. If zesüdos, binos<br clear="none">> balugikum ad gebön as foginavöds vödis ya dabinikis.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Lestümiko,<br clear="none">> Hermann<br clear="none">> ----------------------<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Am 12.10.2020 um 09:58 schrieb Dan Morosof:<br clear="none">> > Vemo danob demü gespik staböfik.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Tefü “di”: cedob, das kanon papladön noe fo nems, abi fo bidanems.<br clear="none">> > Samo el Arie de Jong seimna edatikom notodoti: harmonöm di ‘jazz’ (ab<br clear="none">> > latikumo stamäd: cäsd < epubon, e vöd tefik pro musigöm:<br clear="none">> > cäsdaharmonöm). El Albert Sleumer ämäniotom eli plan di ‘soma’. Zuo pö<br clear="none">> > jenets mödik lartig in genitif e präpod: di < binons siämaröletiks, as<br clear="none">> > sam: pük di ‘Schleyer’ = pük ela Schleyer. Jinos lü ob, das vödil: di<br clear="none">> > < ädefon in Volapük timü püb ela “Gramat Volapüka”, bi buk et äninädon<br clear="none">> > samis sököl:<br clear="none">> > tüm : ‘Eiffel’ (nu penoyöv: tüm di ‘Eiffel’),<br clear="none">> > stitod : ‘Pasteur’.<br clear="none">> > Poso präpod: “di” < pilasumon ini vödastok Volapüka, primo ad gebön fo<br clear="none">> > nems, ab latikumo mastans ettimik Volapüka äjinoms sludön, das vödil<br clear="none">> > at kanon pagebön i pö foginavöds votik.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Baicedob tefü geb ela ‘gender’ as foginavöd, bi liedo defomamavöd ko<br clear="none">> > poyümot jiniko pötöfikün: -ät < ya no binon labülabik.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Tefü “love” (*lovegen, *lovegenan) dotob, das labon-la te siämi topik.<br clear="none">> > Semikna präpods Volapükik labons sinifis difik (samo el “sus”, kel as<br clear="none">> > lim balid koboyümavöda suvo baiädon ko foyümot bevünetik: ‘super-’).<br clear="none">> > El loveikam kanon malön ceini ön siäm valemik. Zuo el love as lim<br clear="none">> > balid vödas noe kanon malön mufi su sürfat seimik (tävön love mel,<br clear="none">> > spearön love taled), abi feapladami u votikami topik, as sams:<br clear="none">> > loveboidön (tökön, votükön nafi), lovegrifön. Ba klien ad votükön geni<br clear="none">> > ud ad stadön plödü gen biologik okik i kanon-la pamalön dub el “love”.<br clear="none">> > Ma ced obik, pö jenets sököl sinif ela love no binon voiko topik:<br clear="none">> > “De cils vel te tel älovelifädons palis oksik…”<br clear="none">> > “Do iprimom as studan Godava, äloveikom ye suno lü stud planava…”<br clear="none">> > loveliänam = ‘Enjambement’<br clear="none">> > Kludo niludob, das gebäd metaforik, efe no topik, ela “love” i<br clear="none">> > binon-la mögik, pato ninü koboyümavöd.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Ko lestüm,<br clear="none">> > Daniil ü Shido.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > понедельник, 12 октября 2020 г., 09:34:41 GMT+5, Hermann Philipps<br clear="none">> > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>>> написал(-а):<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > O kekadämans stimik!<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Dotob tefü geb präpoda: love < ad malön eli ‚trans’ ön siäm nevoik.<br clear="none">> > Ma sev obik präpod at te pagebon ön siäm topik: love <br clear="none">> mel/flumed/jot, e r.<br clear="none">> > Zuo vöds: ‚transgender’ e ‚trans’ no binons balsinifiks (leigoäs el<br clear="none">> > ‚meme’).<br clear="none">> > Kludo fikulos ad datikön vödi te Volapükiki.<br clear="none">> > Ibä vöds at niludo pogebons nesuvo u neföro in vödems Volapükik, mobob<br clear="none">> > das geboyös vödis Linglänapükik (kels pagebons id püks votik): ‚trans’<br clear="none">> > e ‚transgender’ < as foginavöds in vödems Volapükik.<br clear="none">> > Ad fomön ladyekis ba kanoy gebön eli „di”, do voiko vödül at rigo<br clear="none">> > äjonidon ad fomön ladyekis te de nems, as sam: flad di ‚Leiden’.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Leigo – e demü kods ot – cedob, das bo kanoy gebön vödi: ‚gender’ as<br clear="none">> > foginavöd in vödems Volapükik, if desiroy ad kurato malön eli ‚social<br clear="none">> > gender role’.<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Lestümiko,<br clear="none">> > Hermann.<br clear="none">> > ---------------<br clear="none">> ><br clear="none">> > Am 11.10.2020 um 18:52 schrieb Dan Morosof:<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > ----- Пересылаемое сообщение -----<br clear="none">> > > *От:* Donald Gasper <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a>><br clear="none">> > <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a>>>><br clear="none">> > > *Кому:* Dan Morosof <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a>> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a>>>><br clear="none">> > > *Отправлено:* воскресенье, 11 октября 2020 г., 21:50:24 GMT+5<br clear="none">> > > *Тема:* Re: trans<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Baicedob. *Lovegenan jinon binön pötöfik.<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > <br clear="none">> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br clear="none">> > > *From:* Dan Morosof <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a>> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:shido2308@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">shido2308@yahoo.com</a>>>><br clear="none">> > > *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2020 12:30 AM<br clear="none">> > > *To:* Kadäm Volapüka <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:kadam@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kadam@evertype.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:kadam@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kadam@evertype.com</a>><br clear="none">> > <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:kadam@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kadam@evertype.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:kadam@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">kadam@evertype.com</a>>>>; <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>><br clear="none">> > <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>>><br clear="none">> > > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:hphilipps@onlinehome.de" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hphilipps@onlinehome.de</a>>>>; <br clear="none">> Brennus<br clear="none">> > Volapükan<br clear="none">> > > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:brennusvp@legranus.me.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">brennusvp@legranus.me.uk</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:brennusvp@legranus.me.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">brennusvp@legranus.me.uk</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:brennusvp@legranus.me.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">brennusvp@legranus.me.uk</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:brennusvp@legranus.me.uk" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">brennusvp@legranus.me.uk</a>>>>; <br clear="none">> Arden<br clear="none">> > R. Smith <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:erilaz@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">erilaz@earthlink.net</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:erilaz@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">erilaz@earthlink.net</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:erilaz@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">erilaz@earthlink.net</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:erilaz@earthlink.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">erilaz@earthlink.net</a>>>>;<br clear="none">> > > Daniel Zhang <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dannyzhang99@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dannyzhang99@yahoo.com</a> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dannyzhang99@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dannyzhang99@yahoo.com</a>><br clear="none">> > <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dannyzhang99@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dannyzhang99@yahoo.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:dannyzhang99@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">dannyzhang99@yahoo.com</a>>>>; <br clear="none">> Igor Wasilewski<br clear="none">> > > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:espigor@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">espigor@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:espigor@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">espigor@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:espigor@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">espigor@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:espigor@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">espigor@gmail.com</a>>>>; Michael Everson<br clear="none">> > <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">everson@evertype.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">everson@evertype.com</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">everson@evertype.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:everson@evertype.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">everson@evertype.com</a>>>>; Donald<br clear="none">> > > Gasper <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a>> <br clear="none">> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a> <mailto:<a shape="rect" href="mailto:don_gasper@outlook.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">don_gasper@outlook.com</a>>>><br clear="none">> > > *Subject:* trans<br clear="none">> > > O kekadämans stimik!<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Semikna kompenob pö bespiks ai fenüköls Volapükagrupa ela ‘Discord’<br clear="none">> > > labü nem “Volapükan”. Enu säkäd vödas eli ‘LGBT’ tefölas päbespikon.<br clear="none">> > > Ekö! dil primik spikota:<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > El “MonitanBlövik”: i don't even know if we have a word for<br clear="none">> > > transgender in volapük<br clear="none">> > > trans- means "over" so it could be lovegenik<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: we tried once<br clear="none">> > > El “MonitanBlövik”: but sometimes volapük words have to be a lot <br clear="none">> more<br clear="none">> > > specific<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: votgenan<br clear="none">> > > El “MonitanBlövik”: vot is not a preposition so it would be <br clear="none">> votagenan<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: looks like a discrepancy with votgeniäl but <br clear="none">> it's<br clear="none">> > > still clear for me<br clear="none">> > > yes that<br clear="none">> > > El “MonitanBlövik”: -iäl means an inclination, and in more cases <br clear="none">> than<br clear="none">> > > not it's pejorative<br clear="none">> > > so i don't know if it's suitable<br clear="none">> > > i approve of its usage in a non-pejorative situation<br clear="none">> > > but still.. is it a tendency?<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: idk I thought we planned it<br clear="none">> > > votageniäl for homosexuality<br clear="none">> > > that's why I say votagenan<br clear="none">> > > El “MonitanBlövik”: i think it's itgeniäl<br clear="none">> > > votageniäl is heterosexuality<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: otgeniäl<br clear="none">> > > sorry yeah I mistook<br clear="none">> > > El ‘Shido’: As I know, dictionaries of Midgley and Cherillod <br clear="none">> have the<br clear="none">> > > word "otgeniälan" for a homosexual.<br clear="none">> > > El “MäntafivKvadik”: votageniäl - heterosexuality<br clear="none">> > > votageniälan - straight<br clear="none">> > > otgeniäl - homosexuality<br clear="none">> > > otgeniälan - gay<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > otgenan - trans?<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Täno pos vestig brefüpik äkanob nunön, das diatek nulik Volapükik<br clear="none">> > > gevon tefü ‘homosexual’ vödi: “otgenageniälan” (logolsös penedi <br clear="none">> balid<br clear="none">> > > elanes di ‘Corinthos’: VI, 9!)<br clear="none">> > > El “geniäl” sinifon dranäli genik, äsä vödemadiled sököl <br clear="none">> jonülon: “Ab<br clear="none">> > > if ek cedom, das dunom nepötöfiko kol jigam okik, bi geniäl omik <br clear="none">> vedon<br clear="none">> > > tu nämöfik” (pened balid elanes di ‘Corinthos’: VII, 36). Klu el<br clear="none">> > > “otgenageniäl” kanon paplänön as geniäl kol gen ot, e fom: <br clear="none">> *otgeniälan<br clear="none">> > > < se vödabuks anik binon neverätik. Id ämäniotob vödi:<br clear="none">> > > "hi-vota-gena-klotemi-lenlaban", keli bü yels anik el Hermann <br clear="none">> istukom<br clear="none">> > > ad leigätod ela ‘drag queen’ pö Volapükagrup ela ‘Facebook’. Ad <br clear="none">> jonön<br clear="none">> > > lüodis mögik betika, äkoboädob vödis: *gügenokseved (stabü <br clear="none">> okseved as<br clear="none">> > > ‘self-identification’) e *genavotükamiäl(an).<br clear="none">> > > Täno el “Monitan blövik” äpenom:<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > “1. I don't think the meaning of "person with an inclination for<br clear="none">> > > gender change" is neuter enough. I am not an expert on the <br clear="none">> matter, but<br clear="none">> > > many trans people never change their biological gender, and others I<br clear="none">> > > think prefer to not think about it as a change, but as something <br clear="none">> they<br clear="none">> > > always identified with<br clear="none">> > > 2. Let's take in consideration in the future practicality and length<br clear="none">> > > when proposing a new word. The word above would just not be <br clear="none">> practical<br clear="none">> > > if we are to use Volapük in a colloquial context. Translating the<br clear="none">> > > notion as closely as possible does not always mean it's the best<br clear="none">> > solution<br clear="none">> > > many auxlangs work in analogy with the international word, if they<br clear="none">> > > don't adapt the word directly. the prefix "trans-" is translated <br clear="none">> with<br clear="none">> > > "love-" in volapük. so a term like lovegenan would be easy to <br clear="none">> remember<br clear="none">> > > and good enough to describe it.<br clear="none">> > > we're not making alien language or a polysynthetic word here <br clear="none">> where the<br clear="none">> > > whole definition has to fit into a single word<br clear="none">> > > for "self identity" i would use<br clear="none">> > > "okdientif"<br clear="none">> > > it's closer to the international root and shorter<br clear="none">> > > while we're on it, we should change "dientifäd" which means <br clear="none">> "identity<br clear="none">> > > card" to "dientifot" since it's a real, tangible object, not an<br clear="none">> > > abstraction<br clear="none">> > > "hi-vota-gena-klotemi-lenlaban" i think is first of all misgendering<br clear="none">> > > the singer ("she"), second of all it refers to transVESTITE <br clear="none">> people not<br clear="none">> > > transSEXUAL, that is people who dress as the other gender, which <br clear="none">> might<br clear="none">> > > or might not be trans<br clear="none">> > > and even in this case we can use the friendlier <br clear="none">> "lovegenikloteman" or<br clear="none">> > > "votagenikloteman" ”<br clear="none">> > ><br clear="none">> > > Cedob, das vöds: *lovegen ad ‘transsexuality’ e *lovegenan jinons<br clear="none">> > > binön pötöfiks. Ud okanoy-la datikön vödis votik seimik labü binet:<br clear="none">> > > “love”.<br clear="none">> > > Ba i binosös vipabik ad labön vödi ad ‘gender’, kel no ai baibinon<br clear="none">> > > gen. Liedo no mögos ad gebön vödi: genät, bi ya dabinon subsat<br clear="none">> > > “genätamahijip”. Ba odaloy-li gebön poyümotis votik, as sam: *genöf?<br clear="none">> > > U-li igo el *genöfät?<br clear="none">> > > Ba i vöds votik siämagrupa at oklülädons-la zesüdön. 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