[Kadam] Volapük Centre library

Brennus Volapükan brennusvp at legranus.me.uk
Mon Jun 24 19:59:46 IST 2013

Dear David,


Thanks for the explanation.   I am sorry that I cannot add anything
substantial.   Any knowledge I have would be from once-Cifal Johann
Schmidt’s ‘Jenotem Volapüka’, a history of Volapük, of which there is a
German version.   There is sure to be a lot in the Volapük periodicals of
the period to be found in the locations I mentioned, and maybe the odd
something in ‘Volapükagased pro nedänapükans’ between the 1930’s and 1960’s.


You have probably found out about the friction and eventual break with
Schleyer, Kerckhoff’s presidency of a break-away academy, that he
constructed variations of Volapük and eventually was convinced that an
international language should be based on natural languages, which led to an
early Interlingua.   In those contexts, you could contact supporters of Otto
Jespersen’s Idiom Neutral and the present day Interlingua movement, if you
need more information.   I am sure that it would make an interesting chapter
to trace the changes in his attitudes to constructed languages.


I hope that you will announce any work on Kerckhoffs that you may produce.
Perhaps there will be articles in your professional and university journals.


All the best,




From: Kadam [mailto:kadam-bounces at evertype.com] On Behalf Of Sérgio Meira
Sent: 24 June 2013 07:41
To: david.naccache at gmail.com; Kadäm Volapüka
Subject: Re: [Kadam] Volapük Centre library


If I may introject -- Kerckhoffs' life was a little pastime of mine. I wrote
the article on him at the Volapük wikipedia which, as far as I know, has
sources for all material concerning him (so if you don't read Volapük, you
can look up the sources). The link is:
http://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auguste_Kerckhoffs -- I hope it helps.


Sérgio Meira


2013/6/23 <david.naccache at gmail.com>

Dear Brian

Many thanks for the many useful references. 

The motivation of our research is not the volapuk language itself but the
life and contributions of a volapukist called Auguste Kerckhoffs. Did you
ever come across documents relating to his work and involvement in the
movement? Can you point to specific documents or hints in your ex-collection
regarding his work?

The reason that we are so interested in him is that besides being a
volapukist he was also a proeminent cryptographer. As a matter of fact all
modern cryptography is based on his principles and hence we get interested
in recording what we can about the man.

We will of course acknowledge the source of any information in the paper
that we intend to write

Kind regards


From: Brennus Volapükan <brennusvp at legranus.me.uk> 

Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 18:21:22 +0100

To: <david.naccache at ens.fr>

Cc: <Kadam at evertype.com>

Subject: Volapük Centre library


Dear David,


I am the present ‘Cifal’ [President] of the Sog Bevünetik Volapüka.
Michael Everson is quite right:  because of uncertainties about the future,
because of the certainty of the Grim Reaper, and because of my concern that
the stock of Volapük material that I had acquired for the Society over the
years should find a more premanent home, some years ago I sent that material
to the Esperanto Society of Great Britain in Barlaston.   Michael has given
you the web page.   When I last heard, they had not yet got round to
cataloguing it:  the librarian is very much part-time.


There are other Volapük collections in which you might be interested:
C.D.E.L.I.  http://www.cdeli.org/;    Esperanto Museum Vienna,
http://www.onb.ac.at/ev/esperanto_museum.htm;  Bavarian State Library
3%BCk> &Language=en&query=Volap%C3%BCk;  Reinhard Haupenthal, Edition Iltis
http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iltis.   The last is particularly informed on
the early history of the language, without being concerned with the language
itself, and has published a German version of the works in Volapük by an
erstwhile ‘Cifal’.    There are some publications in the British Library and
the Guildhall Library in London;  doubtless they are to be found in national
and other public libraries elsewhere:  we need to compile a catalogue of
what there is where.


If you wish to know more about the language, if you have not been there
already, I suggest that you go to http://volapuk.evertype.com/. 


I hope that this information will help you.   You have already found
information points:  do come back if you require further information.   It
would be useful to know the objectives of your interest.


Incidentally, I notice that cryptography occurs in your official title.   I
should mention that Volapük, as most  of the many constucted languages,
would be less successful as a means of hiding messages than the Native
Indian languaged used by the United States in their conflict with Japan.


Best wishes,


Brian Bishop

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Kadam at evertype.com


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