<div dir="ltr">Hi Heleen and all,<div><br></div><div>I put HieroJIS and links to its demo and how-to videos on GitHub with basic vocabulary (not including the data of TLA).</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/somiyagawa/Toolkit-for-Coptic-and-Ancient-Egyptian-including-HieroJIS" target="_blank">https://github.com/somiyagawa/Toolkit-for-Coptic-and-Ancient-Egyptian-including-HieroJIS</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>If Marwan and TLA agree, I will put all the things of SINUHE. SINUHE is HieroJIS & Marwan's group writing font using TLA data. (Sublime INputting of Unicode for Hieroglyphic Egyptian)</div><div><br></div><div>Now, several students of Goettingen and Macquarie are contributing to our data. We will have a workshop mainly for these contributors in November or December.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm now on the way of implementing CATEGORY or DESCRIPTION inputting system like SEATEDMAN --> A1, MAN ---> all the glyphs in A. If you have such a good list of description of glyphs except Gardiner's, please let me know it.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>So</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">______________________________</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">__</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">So Miyagawa</span><br style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">[soː mijɑˈgɑwɑ]</span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Georg-August-Universität Göttingen (</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Egyptology & </span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Coptology, Ph.D. candidate), </span><span style="font-size:12.8px;color:rgb(80,0,80)">SFB1136 "</span><font color="#500050"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Bildung und Religion in Kulturen </span></font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#500050">des Mittelmeerraums und seiner Umwelt </font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#500050">von der Antike bis zum Mittelalter und </font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#500050">zum Klassischen Islam" (Research Fellow), KELLIA (Research Fellow),</font></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#500050">Coptic SCRIPTORIUM (Research Member), Unicode Consortium (Student Member)</font></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px">Kyoto University (Linguistics, Ph.D. candidate)</span></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="color:rgb(33,33,33);font-family:"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:20px">SFB1136: <a href="https://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/531081.html" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);outline:transparent solid 1px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal" target="_blank">https://www.uni-goettingen.de/de/531081.html</a><br>CV: <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HhhKovsJzqZQGCn6W1oNweqyqKYUfUvFTxAlStKICdM/edit?usp=sharing" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);outline:transparent solid 1px;font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HhhKovsJzqZQGCn6W1oNweqyqKYUfUvFTxAlStKICdM/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>Academia.edu: <a href="https://uni-goettingen.academia.edu/SoMiyagawa" style="color:rgb(126,87,194)" target="_blank">https://uni-goettingen.academia.edu/SoMiyagawa</a></p></div></div><div dir="ltr"><p style="color:rgb(33,33,33);line-height:20px"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:David;line-height:normal;text-align:right"><font size="2">וַיִּמְצָא מֶלֶךְ-אַשּׁוּר בְּהוֹשֵׁעַ קֶשֶׁר, אֲשֶׁר שָׁלַח מַלְאָכִים אֶל-סוֹא מֶלֶךְ-מִצְרַיִם, וְלֹא-הֶעֱלָה מִנְחָה לְמֶלֶךְ אַשּׁוּר, כְּשָׁנָה בְשָׁנָה;</font></span><span style="color:rgb(0,19,32);text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(253,254,255)"><font face="garamond, serif" size="2"><br></font></span></p><p style="color:rgb(33,33,33);line-height:20px"><span style="color:rgb(0,19,32);text-align:justify;background-color:rgb(253,254,255)"><font face="garamond, serif" size="2">"But the king of Assyria found treachery in Hoshea, for he had sent messengers to So, king of Egypt, and offered no tribute to the king of Assyria, as he had done year by year ." (2 Kings 17:4, ESV)</font></span><br></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:00 PM, heleen wilbrink <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hawilbrink@hotmail.com" target="_blank">hawilbrink@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi guys,</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to have kept you waiting. Here are the main conclusions and next steps (bold) as I interpreted them. I hope you will find them helpful. </div><div><br></div><div>Have a great day,</div><div>Heleen</div><div><br></div><div>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Repertoire</span></p>
<ol><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">A list will be made with the references to the publication of an original text (photo or facsimile, not a print font like eg IFAO) for each hieroglyph from the proposal of Michel Suignard. Background: The characters in the proposal of Michel do not have sources yet. These sources are needed in order for the proposal to be accepted. </span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Michel will do the coordination for this list with input from Stephane/Serge/Simon/Mark-Jan</span></b></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">The hieroglyphs with references can be added in tranches</span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">The first tranche will be the proposal of Michael Everson on hieratic hieroglyphs from Moller to which the hieratic dot will be added</span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Stephane/Serge/Simon/Mark-Jan will review the proposal of Michael and add any other hieroglyphs that they are missing including the references before mid August</span></b></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Michael will finish the proposal in the second half of August</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> so that it can be included in the Unicode </span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">meeting on the 6<sup>th</sup> of September</span></div></li></ol>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
Monograms: </span></p>
<ol><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I think the consensus is to make
a list of attested combinations and then decide on the approach, either
monograms (A) or the use of a control character (B). This list will be used as
a proposal for monograms (A) or will be used by developers for their fonts (B).
Most Egyptologists were in favor of solution B because of the ease of searching
and the ease of implementation (in fonts and not in Unicode proposals). </span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Stephane/Serge/Simon/Mark-Jan
will make a list and share it with the group. Then a decision is made for A or
B</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></div></li></ol>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Control characters</span></p>
<ol><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">On the last day of the
conference there seemed to be consensus on the control characters, which
Michael summed up by mail as: “The proposal is to remove the LIG character from
the ballot and to add in 7 more, the two group controls of Bob, and then the
four corner and the center controls”</span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">It was agreed that this
proposal will be finished in August, I thought by Michael, and discussed on the
Unicode meeting on the 6<sup>th</sup> of September. Now it seems over the mail
that several people are working on it separately</span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Suggestion: let Michael, Bob
and Mark-Jan do a conference call or so soon to A. make sure there is one
proposal that all agree on and can be shared with the group and B. give
guidelines to Simon/Serge/Stephane for what examples they should look in their
databases </span></b></div></li></ol>
<p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 10pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Input methods and fonts</span></p>
<ol><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">So and Marwan have integrated
their input systems and font into SINUHE</span></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"></span><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">So/Marwan could you share with
the us the online location so we can start using it?</span></b></div></li><li><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt;line-height:normal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"></span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Bob has made and shared an
experimental font for us to use</span></div></li></ol>
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